d1974 (October 11, 2008 at 9:58 pm)

I agree with you on those materialistic ideologies but if you think that those are the ones who best represent the western culture you are brainwashed.Have you ever read Nietzsche, John Stuart Mill, David Hume, Emanuel kant, Ken Wilber, R.D. Laing, Carl Jung or Sigmund Freud?No?.. I didnt think so.You know shit about western culture.

d1974 (October 11, 2008 at 9:52 pm)

The US soldiers who tortured were trialed and condemned.Hypocrite

d1974 (October 11, 2008 at 9:52 pm)

Again you distort my words or choose to misunderstand them. Terror is not the major threat. The real threat is that so-called "moderate" Muslims like yourself, secretly or openly, holds the western values and way of life, in contempt. Yet you go to Europe, USA, Canada and all over, enjoying the fruits of that way of life, while dreaming that one day YOUR way will take over. IF your way will take over, Europe will become medieval hell-hole, like your countries.

sillas09 (October 11, 2008 at 4:30 pm)

By that "logic", one could hold any single individual "responsible" for some crime. But then, you've said it yourself, you prefer to generalize (abusively) about 1.5 billion people around the world, under the pretext of a marginal, shadowy organization (al-Qaeda), which they have had nothing to do with, which is the contrary of a popular movement and whose founders used to be backed by the US in the 80s. That shows the bigoted caracter of your assertion, further discussion would be futile.

sillas09 (October 11, 2008 at 4:16 pm)

And since we are considering the perspective of humanitarian values, we shouldn't care as to whether the mass killings, torture and deprivations resulting from neo-imperialist US policies, or from the occupation of Palestinian lands, for example, are the consequence of some "evil ideology" or of "evil decisionmaking"! The result in both cases is the same, as far as the damage to humanitarian values is concerned.

sillas09 (October 11, 2008 at 4:13 pm)

Both communism and capitalism / imperialism are materialist ideologies that don't do justice to mankind's complexity. Humanism did not emerge after modern imperialism, actually its foundations reach back to pre-Renaissance times. Neo-imperialism / neo-colonialism caused as much destruction and privation in the countries of the south as classical imperialism. Must I remind that no less than 4 million South East Asians and 1 million Iraqis died as a result of US actions?

d1974 (October 10, 2008 at 9:53 pm)

Well, I hear from many so-called moderate Muslims and Islam apologetics that your religion has been hijacked by a group of fanatics. Untill you take Islam back (by force, as there is no other way) I will continue to make such generalizations and hold ALL of you responsible for the holy war that was declared on the west.Clean your own house (There is no such thing as a half dirty house), meanwhile all you do is trying to defend terrorists with apologetic rethorics.

d1974 (October 10, 2008 at 9:44 pm)

sillas, I took you to be far better educated before this post which is absolutley rubbish.I hardly think that Communism is endorsed by what you define as the west these days. More so, Communism, or rather Marxism are not evil ideologies per se, only their distorded implimentation by the Soviets.Humanitarian ideals emerged in the west AFTER and IN Imperialism and they, with other factors, are largly responsible for the Imperialism's demise.Ultra-liberalism? plz elaborate.

sillas09 (October 10, 2008 at 9:30 pm)

"This account is closed", in the midst of the discussion, how come?

sillas09 (October 10, 2008 at 6:11 pm)

But don't you think that humans, beneath cultural differences, share a common, universal essence? Now when speaking of Islamic culture, please be aware that it is not the same as Arab culture. For one, pre-Islamic Arab culture was widely reformed by Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Then, Islamic culture integrated elements from all the countries which joined the Islamic realm (such as Persia, Phoenicia, Byzantium, etc). Look at Islamic arts or achitecture throughout the world, for example.