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floxine (January 1, 1970 at 7:29 am)
bandana "Islam has been called the most tolerant religion for good reason.""Has been called" by whom? By you? Somebody who is wishing for the whole nation to dissappear?
floxine (January 1, 1970 at 7:29 am)
bandana: I would not be afraid if the nation of Israel were to cease to exist. I do not, of course, wish for civilians to drown in the sea.:)Dearie, the nation of Israel consists of the Israeli civilians. Plus every male civilian between 18 and 55 in Israel is a soldier or a reservist soldier. And, of course, Israel reserves the priviledge of not granting her citizenship or residency permit to criminals even if they are converted Jews. That's "problem solved" regarding the criminal Hamas.
naomimiriam (January 1, 1970 at 7:29 am)
TheBadBandana:"Naomi, I think you are ignorant of world history and Islamic history, but not necessarily uneducated or generally ignorant."Are you suggesting that the wholesale slaughter perepetrated by Mohammed & his gang in the 600's simply did not occur? Or, perhaps you will justify it the way apologists for today's Islamic atrocities have a habit of doing. Will you also deny the ugly phenomenon of Dhimmmitude?
naomimiriam (January 1, 1970 at 7:29 am)
TheBadBandana:"the religious and social vision of its founder.."You refer to Mohammed, I presume. I'd like to ask you a few questions about Islam & its founder: 1. Why did Mohammed put to death the following people?1) Ibn Sunayna, a Jewish man who was murdered because he was simply a Jew2) Abu Afak, a 120-year-old man, murdered while he slept.3) Asma Marwan, mother of 5 children, murdered while she slept.4) A slave woman, mother of two children, murdered while she slept.
naomimiriam (January 1, 1970 at 7:29 am)
5) A one-eyed shepherd, murdered while he slept.6) A very old woman, literally ripped in half by Muslims who captured her on a raid.7) A slave girl, who was murdered because she poked fun at Muhammad.Can you explain this kind of behaviour to me? Can you also explain to me why, if the Jews & "Christians" refused to pay the Jizya - extortion tax - they were forced to convert to Islam or be killed? "Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they
naomimiriam (January 1, 1970 at 7:29 am)
prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, (which is Islam that abolishes all other religions) of the people of the Book, (meaning the Jews and the Christians) until they pay the Jizya (the tax imposed upon them) with willing submission and feel themselves subdued. (with humiliation and submission to the government of Islam.) 9:29 ." (Commentary in parenthesis is from the Tafsir Al-Jalalein. i.e., Al-Jalalein Interpretation of the Koran.)Well?
naomimiriam (January 1, 1970 at 7:29 am)
It's clear according to that verse, that Mohammed ordered his followers to fight "Christians" & Jews to convert or pay with submission. Or die. Again I ask. Is this what you consider as "tolerance"? Finally. Does the system of "Dhimmitude" where non-Muslims living in Islamic countries were treated as 2cd class citizens (or worse) constitute as "tolerance"? Here are just some of the "protection" measures that in the past, were taken out against the "protected" ones (Dhimmis):
naomimiriam (January 1, 1970 at 7:29 am)
Dhimmis had to hurry through the streets & pass to the left (impure) side of a Muslim, who was expected to force him to the narrow side or into the gutter. He had to walk humbly with lowered eyes, to accept insults without replying, to remain standing in a meek & respectful attitude in the presence of a Muslim & to leave him the best place. Wait. Don't tell me. Way back during these times in the Middle Ages (& up to the early 1900's, it was also a matter of the Wahabi influence, right?)
You4test (January 1, 1970 at 7:29 am)
Wassup floxy?
floxine (January 1, 1970 at 7:29 am)
Bandana: "forgive me for causing you a migraine." Dearie, the only thing you are causing is pity and chuckles.Do I have to grab your head with both hands and stick your nose into the page of Israeli foreign ministry? Remember how reluctant you were to accept Arab illiteracy? Every Jew has the right to obtain the oleh status which gives him the right of residency and the following status of Israelicitizenship. |
